I tried to post this over at Oxy dissent but it got caught up the filter (or maybe I’m just on moderation).
Trainspotter,
1. Reach a consensus on our territorial objectives. Make the Idea as tangible as it can be. Make the Idea assume a mentally and psychologically digestible form. Is it going to be the Northwest? The South? Or to take from the Captain – “Take it all back…the Big Idea.” I happen to favor the Big Idea, but that may fail the tangibility test.
You don’t say.
Now, if you don’t want to look yeller before giants like the mighty Cap’n and The Admiral and Nordmacht(frei) and you’re in effect saying “I’m with you in spirit, fellas, alas..”, that’s one thing. But if you actually consider proposing such an idea, leading with it, making it a centerpiece of your message, I’m afraid you betray a severely compromised appreciation of just what constitutes a “new paradigm”: there’s nothing new about “I hate non-whites. Get ‘em out of my country.” It’s bitter, old-style nationalism that clashes head on with what the vast majority are prepped to believe about the world — ie about human existence — and, more importantly, what they experience of the world, which is to say very few experience the other so negatively as to wish death on him or to destroy his livelihood, which is what they imagine running him out of the country is equivalent to.
On the other hand, a philosophy of racial live-and-let-live at whose core lies an appreciation of the benefits that accrue from racial homogeneity and racial similarity while relegating “hatred” to matter of contingency does constitute a new paradigm. Far more importantly, it lessens opposition because it requires the least amount of rethinking about the world, one’s country, one’s person, — consider it a kind of “racialist aikido.” In fact, I’d go so far as to say that, while the former (“Big Idea”) makes it all but impossible to support you, the “new paradigm” makes it all but impossible to oppose you.
What I imagine would gall a man the most is the thought of foreigners carving out a piece of his territory just-like-that, without even having to have fired a shot to do it. There are arguments that could be deployed which, if understood (hardly a given in this crowd), can diminish such concerns — but I’m out of time.
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accidentaldissent // October 30, 2009 at 11:09 pm
Trainspotter,
Our views have more in common than you might think. Read the following with that hypothesis in mind and I’m sure that by the end of it you’ll agree.
Marketing: your cartoonish strawman aside, you are absolutely correct that there is a severe marketing problem with anything that goes beyond a fairly small state secessionist objective.
I disagree that anything beyond that degree of smallness creates a severe marketing problem. It’s ‘take it all back’ that creates the marketing problem. The heart of the marketing problem is that the only thing anti-racists hear when racialists talk race is that white racists hate non-whites so much that they not only don’t want to live around but never want to see or even hear of non-whites ever again and they demand every single non-white be expelled from every square inch of sacred White Land.
By small state I mean something along the lines of the Northwest proposal. Then it can be reasonably put forth, in highly simplistic terms, “We’ll do our thing, you do yours. Let’s have a divorce.”
I think you can “reasonably” put forward a great deal more than the NW proposal. I doubt many of the non-white immigrant-descended care very much about territory at all. It’s the ’system’ they loath to be divorced from — the legal, economic and cultural structures they’ve inherited. I think they’d be quite happy to settle for the ‘city-states’ (while you get the bulk). I don’t get the impression that the various non-white groups like each other much at all and only band together to whatever extent they do in order to fend off whites, who they fear would deport them (or worse). I have a hunch that if they believed a better deal was possible and that the only thing preventing that better deal being realized was a pack of jewish megalomaniacs they’d almost run the revolution for you.
And the only way to do that is to deny it effective control over most of the country, not just a slice of it. So, if my premise is correct, why not retake most of the country, the vast “normal hinterland,” rather than settle for a slice? You’re going to have to do it anyway.
Ah, but “most” is not the same as “all.”
In other words, my premise is that the System has to either be destroyed entirely or at least so reduced that it can no longer aspire to imperial status. As long as it sees itself as possessing imperial strength, it will use its strength against whites. And if allowed to remain in a position of strength, it will have a never ending horde of non-white cannon fodder to throw at us, of course equipped with the latest in white technology.
No argument there.
Further, going beyond the prospects of its initial formation, I seriously question the ability of a small white ethnostate to maintain itself on a continent that will, by default, become almost entirely non-white. There will be military, economic and social pressures that will make it very difficult to survive in such an environment.
I’m not so sure about that. Again, non-whites don’t like each other. It’s jews far and away who keep the coalition together. The trick is to get them to realize jews are everyone’s problem. (The solution to which, needless to say, isn’t “to kill all the jews” — contrary to the lies of Lyin’ Larry Auster.)
Again, this has been a highly superficial and incomplete discussion of an extremely complex subject.
I don’t think it’s fair to call it superficial. Let’s say… inchoate. But you’re correct that much more can be said and most urgently needs to be said. Shouldn’t that mean the discussion should revolve around these issues, rather than, say, Nietzschean esoterica? Just wondering.
So that is the dilemma as I see it: for marketing purposes, I think small state probably works better (I emphasize “probably,” as I’m not entirely sure). But, ultimately, I think that (hypothetically, of course) we are going to have to go for a much bigger slice in order to be viable. I think this is a case of good marketing being in conflict with military/political and economic reality.
Again, they’re not necessarily in conflict. Let me illustrate by way of example. A very simple, straightforward Republican strategy could be to market an ‘internal racial rearrangement’ [substituting whatever for 'racial'] based on Republicans’/conservatives’ ‘acquiescence’ to ‘multicultural reality’,’ the sentiment behind it being something along the lines of “We disagreed that multiculturalism [or if possible multiracialism] was a good idea, but since America insists on pursuing it, we want to do it correctly, and that requires granting peoples the living space required to be who they really are. Ethnic conflict results from contact, not from ignorance. Granting peoples the permission to live apart will reduce conflict, and reducing conflict will lead to a greater appreciation of the lives of others. No other force tears at the seams of delicate multiracial social fabric more powerfully than interracial crime so we propose sterner punishments across the board for any instance of it, regardless of whether or not it was motivated by racial hatred.” [Imagine a street scene: "Hang on, man, this shit's interracial. Fuck it. Let it go."]
accidentaldissent // October 31, 2009 at 12:35 pm
The second reply still hasn’t shown up on Oxy. I can only hope it’s because of some glitch, rather than that H. Wally’s having one of his episodes. A thinking person should be able to read through the comments on that thread, read my comment above and realize that, holy shit, the answer to any objection yet thought of is essentially contained therein. But like most WNs — well, like most people, but it’s most frustrating when it’s being displayed by the group your dealing with — they don’t like to be told what to think, and particularly not by an outsider like me. But that’s not a good excuse at all. I doubt whether a single one of them would state up front he demands a society composed of people absolutely 100% as genetically identical as the most fine-grained analysis will permit, which logically implies that they’d be willing to settle for at least one individual who falls outside their parameters. There isn’t the slightest reason to rule me out as a candidate for that slot which means I’m as a good a candidate as anyone else, which simply means that if any one of those numbskulls’ resistance to consider is based on my outsider status that objection is null and void. (Not that I want “in” — just sayin’.) You don’t have to like me. And I can assure you I’m holding my nose. But for sucks fakes man if you’re going to talk about the themes you’re talking about it’s just the height of stupidity and wrongheaded (and boneheaded) arrogance to ignore when someone’s just talked about the same freaking thing you’re talking about it and, frankly and uncharacteristically immodestly, talked about it better — not with respect to eloquence or profundity, but to sheer fucking practicality.
Steve in the Swamps // November 1, 2009 at 10:23 pm
“I have a hunch that if they believed a better deal was possible and that the only thing preventing that better deal being realized was a pack of jewish megalomaniacs they’d almost run the revolution for you.”
I have heard there is a lot of anti-Semitism in the Hispanic American community. With a major Depression, Jews will want to leave LA(California) and South Florida very quickly, as these areas will both be Hispanic-controlled in 10 years.
Mike Hubbard // November 7, 2009 at 10:02 am
Good suggestions, Silver. The unfortunate thing is that the racialist scene is so myopic and reactionary that your suggestions will likely sail right over most of their heads. What racialists, you and a few others excepted, do not realize is that there is a “moderate” solution to this problem which doesn’t involve cataclysm. It is not at all implausible to think that whites, upon changing their approach, could convince the non-whites that being proxies of the jew is not to their benefit, nor for that matter is it to their benefit to see white people disappear.
More on this later.
danielj // November 7, 2009 at 6:51 pm
makes it all but impossible to oppose you.
They will find a way.
They don’t love other races. They loathe whites.
Dasein // November 9, 2009 at 9:52 am
“It is not at all implausible to think that whites, upon changing their approach, could convince the non-whites that being proxies of the jew is not to their benefit, nor for that matter is it to their benefit to see white people disappear.”
Sorry, this is completely unrealistic. You need to convince non-Whites that they are better off not parasitizing Whites. Fat chance of that happening via polite discussion. Only those elements that Silver despises can convince them otherwise, and explains part of his love/hate relationship with neo-Nazis.
accidentaldissent // November 10, 2009 at 9:30 am
Dasein,
I never said it had to happen via polite discussion (although that certainly aids the process). People can always find a way to believe whatever they have to in order to make sense of the world (see liberals, diversity); metaphorically (or perhaps not, heh), having to stare down a muzzle pointed between their eyes would do a wonderful job of clearing the mind and realizing that, ah yes, we would be better off among our own kind. That’s what people need to be convinced of, that they’re better off among their own, not that they’re better off “not parasitizing whites” because none of them understand themselves to be doing that.
As for it not being to others’ benefit to see whites disappear, well, I’ll share a personal anecdote. And I’ll be completely upfront and honest about it. Some sixteen, seventeen years ago, which is to say pre-internet, a teenage me happened to hear some ‘report’ (ie propaganda softening people up) suggesting that blonds, which I took to be a euphemism for ‘whites’ (which to me at the time to meant nw euros/nords/germanics), might “disappear” within one hundred years. My first instinct — bracing myself here — was to think to myself, yes! good riddance to the hateful bastards. Within moments that was followed by a pang of regret — hang on, you mean there won’t be any more at all? Ever again? That can’t be a good thing for the world can it, to lose a whole race just like that? Surely the world’s big enough to accommodate us all? I share this because it illuminates the subliminal thinking of a mind very much dedicated to the notion that racism is an unspeakable evil, yet despite this a mind also reasonable enough to appreciate that to lose whites, or that subset of whites, would be to lose a valuable, important (to me, in some vague sense) part of the human spectrum. Or in other words, that love/hate relationship, Das, goes back a long way — contrast it to the indifference I would have felt at suggestions that, say, Tamils or Burmese might disappear. (And of course at this time I didn’t give a second’s thought as to what would actually occur ‘on the ground,’ or what it would to me and for me, as the race-replacement juggernaut worked its way through society.)
What this suggests, I think, is that people needn’t be of the same or even of compatible stock in order to experience racial concerns for others. But what I think it does require is some mutual understanding and ‘moderation,’ even if only at an ‘official’ level, rather than the mindless blather of the — what else can one call them? — nutzi set whose rhetoric at every sociological juncture consists of assertions of the, to put it perfectly bluntly, unbearable sshitness of every other kind and their loathing of those other kinds for reasons of that alleged unbearable shitness. Who on earth could think to make any headway in the face of such blind, uncompromising hatred? Who knows, perhaps were it not for this, cooperation may be but a heartbeat away; but for this, we’ll all cut off our noses to spite our faces (meaning we’ll insist on no action and on breeding our own selves out of existence simply to spare ourselves from having “racism” thrust at us).
P.E. Zero // November 10, 2009 at 9:51 pm
I have heard there is a lot of anti-Semitism in the Hispanic American community. With a major Depression, Jews will want to leave LA(California) and South Florida very quickly, as these areas will both be Hispanic-controlled in 10 years.
If so, too bad. I had sort of envisaged Puerto Rico, South Florida, Manhattan, Long Island, and parts of New Jersey forming some sort of Judeo-Hispanic confederation. But I don’t know much about Cubans, Puerto Ricans, etc.
accidentaldissent // November 11, 2009 at 7:11 am
PE,
Forgive me, but rofl — wtf dude? Then again, it’s not your fault. Racial awareness can do that to a person. I mean, that’s the damn thing about race: we can acknowledge that race matters, we can internalize the principle that demography is destiny, but, perhaps incredibly, of itself this tell us virtually nothing about what we should do; race matters therefore…therefore what? There seem to be a million options, few of them obviously or necessarily any better than any other. Race matters therefore a Judeo-Hispanic confederation? (!)
This is why I say we need the nazis. Cruel and generally horrible though they are, at least they’ll never give up on race and if they so much as threaten to come to the fore (as in some ways one could assert they now are) it’ll force the rest of us to seek out some sort of accommodation, to come to some sort of arrangement.
The alternative, even as racial awareness grows, is to retreat into a dubious “race-realist” “citizenism” in which one knows the price of everything but the value of nothing.
Trainspotter // November 11, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Silver, just saw this. I posted this reply at Occidental Dissent as well.
Silver: “It’s ‘take it all back’ that creates the marketing problem. The heart of the marketing problem is that the only thing anti-racists hear when racialists talk race is that white racists hate non-whites so much that they not only don’t want to live around but never want to see or even hear of non-whites ever again and they demand every single non-white be expelled from every square inch of sacred White Land.”
Methinks you are being too generous with our anti-racist friends. The problem is not so much that they fear we want to take it all back and regain every square inch…the problem is that they wish to deny us every square inch. They want it all, and they mean us ill.
As for the more normal whites who are not quite so insane, and therefore might be part of our target market, we do indeed have a marketing problem. We can quibble about the size of the white ethnostate, and exactly what size is optimal from a marketing standpoint, but I suppose the real point is this: normal whites see no way that we can achieve a white ethnostate without violence and chaos. And, frankly, I agree with their assessment (though with Fourth Generation Warfare, the casualties need not be extreme). Hence our marketing problem – the conflict between what is appealing versus what is actually going to happen. The conflict between the desire to market a peaceful transition to a white ethnostate versus the reality that the system will not let us go, no matter how fair our proposals.
Silver: “I have a hunch that if they believed a better deal was possible and that the only thing preventing that better deal being realized was a pack of jewish megalomaniacs they’d almost run the revolution for you.”
That would be wonderful, but we can’t count on it. I see no evidence of this happening.
Silver: “Ah, but “most” is not the same as “all.”
Certainly, agreed. I personally would be more than happy for the libs/non-whites to have the BosWash corridor, while we take the vast hinterland. I’ve explained this in other posts. The problem, as I’ve also explained earlier, is that I don’t believe that the System will let go of the hinterland (or a single square inch of territory for whites anywhere) until it is reduced to a powerless rump, or gone entirely. BosWash, if an independent nation, would still be quite powerful. It could be very powerful, in fact. Would it let flyover go, even if it lost control of flyover for a certain period of time? I have serious doubts.
So again, we come to the issue of marketing versus reality: taking it all back may be tough marketing, but as a practical matter, it may end up being an “all or nothing” proposition. Either we can deny strength to the enemy, or it will be used against us. Fourth Generation Warfare offers the solution to this problem, though of course I am speculating and not advocating anything.
Silver: “We disagreed that multiculturalism [or if possible multiracialism] was a good idea, but since America insists on pursuing it, we want to do it correctly, and that requires granting peoples the living space required to be who they really are. Ethnic conflict results from contact, not from ignorance. Granting peoples the permission to live apart will reduce conflict, and reducing conflict will lead to a greater appreciation of the lives of others. No other force tears at the seams of delicate multiracial social fabric more powerfully than interracial crime so we propose sterner punishments across the board for any instance of it, regardless of whether or not it was motivated by racial hatred.”
Yes, I like that – as good marketing. Unfortunately, as explained above, there is a conflict between good marketing and what is likely to be the reality of the situation. The anti-whites mean us ill, they are not interested in an equitable distrubution of land/cultural space. So, as a practical matter, I believe it will come down to “You or I.” Let us hope that I am wrong and that a peaceful solution can be worked out…but realistically that ain’t gonna happen.
Q // November 11, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Silver, GW is reactivating MR radio and is soliciting quality interviewees. I think you are one of the most interesting personalities I’ve ever run into at WN sites. I’m begging you to contact GW and arrange an interview.
accidentaldissent // November 11, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Trainspotter,
Who are the “anti-whites”? You mean Jews? Who else? White race-mixers? You really think someone like Derbyshire is that anti-white that he couldn’t see the sense in what is being proposed here? Or take the average non-white, isn’t his greatest reason for opposing you the thought that he’d lose all by you being in power (as opposed to the reality, which is that those losses, such as they may be, would be accompanied by significant gains)?
Now, sure, there are certain segments of non-whites among whom anti-white sentiment is, er, white hot — the nigger, the chicano, the muzzie, and yes, they tend to be the most populous of non-whites. But they often have to live around each other and tend not to be able to stand each other. On the face of it it would seem pretty straight forward to play them off against one another. Precious few of them are even aware that any other sort of racial arrangement is an option, and you can’t really fault them for being unaware.
I suppose the real point is this: normal whites see no way that we can achieve a white ethnostate without violence and chaos. And, frankly, I agree with their assessment (though with Fourth Generation Warfare, the casualties need not be extreme).
Casualties certainly don’t need to be extreme. In my view what would limit it is if let’s say a series of incidents occurs (I confess I have very little idea what those could be) and (moderate) WNs thus get the opportunity to explain their views, which are then seen as reasonable and moderate, peaceable measures are subsequently undertaken to achieve the desired result, and we all live happily ever after. That too perfect, sure, but the fact is every time moderate WNs get anything approaching a fair hearing they can’t help but seem completely reasonable, so there’s good reason to think that quite a few people, white and non-white alike, may as a result say to themselves, wait a minute, is that all these people want?
Now, to that you say, “BosWash, if an independent nation, would still be quite powerful. It could be very powerful, in fact. Would it let flyover go, even if it lost control of flyover for a certain period of time? I have serious doubts.”
But wouldn’t ‘BosWash’ still be democratic? Why just assume there wouldn’t be anti-anti-separatist politicians who would work to maintain that putative status quo? For me, WN/racialism etc is best as a people’s movement; it just wants to allow people the living arrangements most conducive to happiness, contentment and fulfillment, and it does this in part by taking away the endless frustrations that arise from multiracialism — addition by subtraction; hell, exponentiation by subtraction. So in this sense it offers what I think is the best possible opportunity to fuck over the big league crapitalist scum whose one overriding aspiration in life is the expansion of their markets. So no, trainspotter, provided the culture changes, I don’t think the maggots presently infesting BosWash are permanent fixture by any means.
accidentaldissent // November 11, 2009 at 7:41 pm
Q,
Thanks but no thanks. (a) There’s not much here, really. It’s mostly just a bunch of common sense advice for white advocates. My ideal is that we ‘get race right’ and then life just goes on more or less as before. As I like to put it, “Charles Murray + Racialism.” (And a bit of eugenics never goes astray.) (b) For reasons I’d rather not disclose, I’d prefer to remain well behind the scenes. If anyone senses a hint of a good idea in anything I’ve said, they can take it and run with it themselves; I’m not needed.
Trainspotter // November 11, 2009 at 7:44 pm
Well, Silver, I think we are just going to have to disagree. The System has made its position abundantly clear: it isn’t going to let us go peacefully. I’d love it if that weren’t true, but it is true.
I will say this, however. I believe that the System has now entered what Kunstler calls The Long Emergency. I disagree with Kunstler on many of the details, but I agree with the basic point that the System is in for a period of prolonged, ongoing crisis. Or, to be more accurate, crises. It will be one thing after another, and the System is going to prove unsustainable. In fact, it is already proving itself unsustainable.
Against this backdrop of systemic crisis, white nationalism will have the opportunity to grow. Maybe it will build a sufficient infrastructure to make the case that you wish to put forth. In my opinion, it will fall on deaf ears (as far as the anti-racist/anti-whites are concerned).
But, let Fourth Generation Warfare enter the picture. Of course I’m simply speculating about hypothetical outcomes, not advocating anything. Once an ongoing but moderate level of violence begins, the costs will be astronomical for the System. Our society is so complex and interdependent that targeted acts of disruption and violence could easily impose cataclysmic costs on the System.
And at that point, yes, I think an awful lot of people (anti-racists/anti-whites) would in fact say, “To hell with it. Let the inbred redneck pieces of shit have flyover. It ain’t worth taking a bullet in the head over. Who gives a shit about bumfuck Alabama? We’ve got Boston. We’ve got downtown Manhattan. And if we don’t let them go, they may trash Boston or New York. Time to cut a deal.”
I believe that the System would utterly ignore these people, and keep the war going. But still, the System MIGHT be willing to let whites go their own way, but only if the costs of trying to restrain whites far exceeds, and I do mean far exceeds, the cost of letting them go. Fourth Generation Warfare can make that happen.
Ultimately, for the System, it’s going to come down to a cost/benefit analysis.
Again, I advocate nothing. But that is the most likely future scenario that I can imagine which results in our victory. In it, the System is reduced to a rump state, but is still able to hold on to its most prized possessions, which are located mostly in BosWash.
I guess the bottom line is that, absolutely, we need great marketing. But, and again I merely engage in speculation, we aren’t getting out of this peacefully. Period.
P.E. Zero // November 11, 2009 at 7:46 pm
Forgive me, but rofl — wtf dude? Then again, it’s not your fault. Racial awareness can do that to a person. I mean, that’s the damn thing about race: we can acknowledge that race matters, we can internalize the principle that demography is destiny, but, perhaps incredibly, of itself this tell us virtually nothing about what we should do; race matters therefore…therefore what? There seem to be a million options, few of them obviously or necessarily any better than any other. Race matters therefore a Judeo-Hispanic confederation? (!)
I forgive you, my son. Err, g’day mate. Something like that.
Well, there were a few more steps in my thinking than I may have let on. It had something to do with recognizing that both of these groups, from time to time, makes me feel like they have it in for the WASPs. The are dominated by leftists; simple as that. Something along the lines of, “If you think mass immigration is a good idea then have your own country and let in whomever you want.” At a softer focus, this boils down to – “Try leftism on a national scale, without heartland conservatism to keep you from having quite enough rope to hang yourself. See how you like it.”
Next, there is the surplus of Jews with desired skillsets (doctors and lawyers, etc.), combined with the relative paucity of Puerto Ricans and some other Hispanic groups (not really including US Cubans). Plenty of opportunities for symbiosis, and without the WASP to kick around there would be more clarity in seeing the result.
Next, there is the fact that Jews and Hispanics both live side-by-side in those areas. To a first approximation, the big minority areas in this country are
Mexicans in the SW,
blacks in the SE (in that big not-quite-the-coast arc from the Mississippi Delta to DC), and
____ on the Eastern Seaboard. _____ is a big mish-mash of everyone, right? But I was positing that the Poles, Italians, and Irish were assimilable, and the Jews, PRs, and Cubans were not.
Positing, because like I said I’m making this up as I go along. If you can abandon leftism and forced integration once it obviously turns into a negative sum game, you might be assimilable.
The basic plan is, let the SW go to Mexico, expel the leftist cities on the eastern seaboard, and provide great autonomy to the new black republic(s) of the SE, which would likely need tons of foreign aid in the human resources department. I.e., China would do all the technical stuff for a while.
Anyway, yeah, I’m winging it. I read an article on The Jews of Puerto Rico and sort of went nuts.
accidentaldissent // November 11, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Well, Silver, I think we are just going to have to disagree.
Pardon my pedantry but just what are we disagreeing about? I don’t disagree substantially with anything you just said; maybe it’s the degree/extent of violence that you see as necessary.
My view on violence is I want to limit it. If there’s a point to the violence, I can see it being limited. If there’s no point to it, if it’s just rahowa for rahowa’s sake (and I don’t doubt for a second this isn’t what those willing to engage in violence would welcome) then I don’t really see any internal limiting factor, which, again, for marketing purposes is just terrible.
If we look beyond the end of the System-as-we-know-it, I really fail to see why its rump would be consumed with re-exerting its control over you unless it’s the same pack of crapitalist rats in charge. Is it really that difficult for you to believe peace could reign after the dust settled? Most people don’t like war and prefer to avoid it. Bitter foes have been known to become the best of friends. I don’t think it’s so naive to think most people would be content to live and let live.
Furthermore, it’s going to be “America” for a long time yet, even as the System, as you call it, loses legitimacy and power. There will still be some very real foreign policy/defense stakes so I think even the most hardheaded WN would have to concede certain aspects of the ‘national’ system will require maintenance, something like an American version of the post-Soviet CIS thingy.
Trainspotter // November 11, 2009 at 10:50 pm
“If we look beyond the end of the System-as-we-know-it, I really fail to see why its rump would be consumed with re-exerting its control over you unless it’s the same pack of crapitalist rats in charge. ”
Well, that’s just it. I don’t see how one dislodges the “crapitalist rats” short of violence (not advocating, just speculating). That scum owns this country, root and branch.
I see the System as largely immune from “democracy.” For example, poll after poll has shown that for literally decades the American people have overwhelmingly favored better enforcement against the invasion of illegal immigrants. What is the result? More illegals than ever. More non-whites than ever. We see the establishment acting directly against the wishes (and interests) of the broader population.
Point is, it doesn’t matter all that much what the broad population wants. The elites will let them argue about some things (that the elites don’t care about), just to keep up the illusion that the common man’s opinion matters. But when it comes down to it, when the rubber hits the road, the establishment does what it wants. They have literally transformed our country from an overwhelmingly white nation into Brazil North. They did this without the support of the vast majority of the population. They in fact did this in opposition to what the typical American wanted.
This goes way beyond just ripping people off with corporate giveaways or some sort of insider trading scam. This isn’t just about fleecing people as they cackle in smoke filled backrooms. If only that was what this scum limited itself to! Instead, it is literally about transforming the entire nation without support from that nation’s populace. This should tell us something.
In other words, like 911, democracy is a joke.
By the way, here is an interesting little piece on Fourth Generation Warfare. I posted it over at OD as well:
http://www.d-n-i.net/dni/2009/11/10/on-war-321-4gw-comes-to-ft-hood/
accidentaldissent // November 12, 2009 at 5:25 am
Trainspotter,
I’m presupposing a far greater level of understanding of the issues we’re discussing here than exists at present. People today grumble and they are aware they’ve gotten something they didn’t want and didn’t ask for, but it seems to me only a vague sort of awareness. They don’t know there’s an alternative, or that it’s perfectly justifiable to pursue that alternative. That’s why the present power structure retains legitimacy. What if it loses legitimacy drastically? It’s hard to believe widespread violence wouldn’t see it do so. Do you know what happened in eastern Europe when the commies lost legitimacy? They changed virtually overnight from commies to democrats. Same rat bastards but now they weren’t doing the same rat bastard things. You’re probably going to have hold your nose and let some of the present political entrepreneurial scum change their colors — you know, take advantage of their power-obsession.
Instead, it is literally about transforming the entire nation without support from that nation’s populace. This should tell us something.
It’s not about transforming the country for nothing, it’s about increasing the size of the pie (and making out like bandits on wages in the meantime) and strengthening their grip on power.
The sad, sad thing about the left in western countries is it understands most of this. But it shoots itself in the foot with its bizarre veneration of rubbish third world cultures and peoples (its niggerlovin’ is off the charts) and its own repellent degenerate cultural values.
As for the 4GW stuff, yeah I read that blog and I’m familiar with Lind’s writings.
Captainchaos // November 15, 2009 at 4:18 am
Silver, if we reconquer North America, wogs can have New Jersey, hell, I’ll even throw in Delaware.
danielj // November 17, 2009 at 10:40 am
CC: How do you know it won’t be wogs that recapture the land? Perhaps, you’ll luck out and they’ll give you Michigan, Minnesota and North Dakota?
accidentaldissent // November 18, 2009 at 6:08 pm
CC,
I’m sure we’ll work something out. Truth is the particular location isn’t even that important. The whole point of a “racial reorganization” along the lines I’m thinking of is that you end up with people — with a society, a community, a ‘nation’ — rather like yourself, people you can share meaningful connections with, genetic, cultural and historical, with whom there is good reason to expect to be able to get along well with, with whom you can enjoy social “warmth,” frequently. Contrast that to present (and — gulp — future) levels of multiracialism: few meaningful connections, with those that exist being so scattered that you have to navigate past 16,342 shitheads who look and talk nothing like you before you find someone with whom you might even bother trying to interact meaningfully with. At least that’s what America felt like to me. So yeah, as far as I’m concerned, it could just as well be the Kalahari Desert as the Jerz. But as I’ve explained to you, if you keep it within the US then it doesn’t strike people as all that extreme, which means you’ll find it worlds easier to gain cooperation.
White Preservationist // November 28, 2009 at 9:33 am
“Silver, if we reconquer North America, wogs can have New Jersey, hell, I’ll even throw in Delaware.”
Nah, the wogs oughta live down in Florida, Louisiana, etc because it more closely mimics the Medish environments they evolved in. They can’t have Georgia, though…that state has gotta stay Anglo.
accidentaldissent // November 28, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Damn, I had my heart set on Athens, too (for obvious sentimental reasons).
danielj // November 29, 2009 at 10:47 pm
They can’t have Georgia, though…that state has gotta stay Anglo.
Unless we divide Savannah and Charleston in half or create “neutral” territories I’m afraid there might be a second civil war. I can’t live without my Georgia!